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Manuel del Rio's avatar

Actually, the bottom line is that if we ever invent a time machine, it is our moral duty to find the creator of Hawaiian Pizza and murder him in cold blood...

I liked this post, but I didn't find any serious objections to nitpick with, which is kind of a bummer. My assumption in time-traveling thought experiments is generally something like this idea in Quantum Mechanics (is it the Multiverse thesis?) that every indeterminate state whose wave function collapses actually generates two universes, one in which we got state A and one in which we got state B. I don't think time travel is possible, but if it were, I'd suppose it will create two timelines: the one you departed from (which, if you were to return, would be completely unchanged in present and past) and a new one, in which the changes you effected have become the unavoidable past that actually happened.

I also agree that our attachment to those 'impossible to avoid' scenarios doesn't seem very rational, but is probably deeply imbued with cultural , religious and intellectual traditions (Greek Tragedy! An omnipotent God and his Divine Providence). In the killing-Hitler scenario, I imagine some parts of the past would change very little (there'd still be a 1st World War, a Russian Revolution and the Great Depression), while others would change a range of probability in their changes (given a defeated, mostly undemocratic, vindictive and militaristic Germany, it is likely that something like an authoritarian regime would have toppled the Weimar Republic and engaged in at least *some* warring). Historians love to debate the importance of individual agency in history, with periodic pendulum swings from Great Men to Geological-like Great Processes. Some specific individuals do have a disproportionate amount of influence on events, but they are exceptional, and I'd guess even them have an upper bound.

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JerL's avatar
May 7Edited

What does this view imply about the grandfather paradox?

My objection to killing Hitler is that the future you create will be one whose past is no longer compatible with you going back in time to kill Hitler; after all, there's no more Hitler to kill!

It's unclear how you resolve this: does the "new" timeline overwrite the "old"? What notion of time do the terms "new" and "old" refer to?

What will your personal memories consist in? Will you remember that you killed Hitler? Will you remember the old world in which WWII happened? Or will your memories change so that you always remember a Hitler-less world? When will that change happen? Will you suddenly come to beside a dead baby in 1889 with no memory of getting into a time machine?

It seems like this point of view leads to too many inconsistencies with no obvious resolution.

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